Ps Jordan Smith who pastors out in Wellington is joined by Dr Dougal Sutherland to talk about Mental Health and Wellness. Dr Sutherland has been working as a clinical psychologist for over 20 years and is the CEO of Umbrella Wellbeing. Dr Sutherlands works providing psychological support to organisations and individuals. This discussion today is very weighty and very much needed to normalise and destigmatise the idea of mental health.